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-Welcome to The Great Exposure where we connect with community members to discuss society’s disregard for indigenous people, people of color, and women has disproportionately affected their communities during the pandemic. We will not be silenced. 

-She’s Maya Wenzel 

-And she’s Skyler Kottke 

-And welcome to The Great Exposure. In this episode, we’ll be talking about how COVID has disproportionately affected women. 

-Women are honestly the real essential workers of this whole pandemic and of society in general. Like if you look at World War II. When men went to serve, women stepped up and filled in all the gaps, and granted women of color and poor women were already in the workforce before white, middle- and upper-class women, but many worked jobs they’d never worked before all while raising the future generation, and really did it all. Like, WWII proved society can function, and more efficiently at that, without men, and this pandemic proved society can’t function without women. I mean, we’re hauling ass here and what do we have to show for it? 

-Exactly, because of gendered careers and roles, women are more at risk of being exposed to the virus. Like, women make up, what is it, 78% of the healthcare field overall, and yet because of the glass escalator men still rank higher and are still paid way more than women. Like, on average men in the healthcare field earn about $86,000 while women only make $45-46,000 on average. 

-And of course race exacerbates the gender wage gap too 

-Mhm 

-Like, women are also more likely to be caregivers, be it in their own home or for older adults, and they’re like nannies, teachers, and work in daycare. They’re also the ones going out and doing the shopping, picking the kids up, taking people to appointments – all the things patriarchy expects women to do. And all of this increases the risk of being exposed because nursing homes are often overcrowded and not made with public health in mind. So, for a while at the beginning of this and even now kids are still being sent to school because they think kids won’t have it as serious, but they’re still spreading it which means teachers, who are mostly women can get it too. And then because so many people rely on daycare because our country’s paid parental leave is shit – it's nonexistent – like 1 in 3 women are living in poverty so they’re working these minimum wage essential jobs and about a third of those women are mothers, many women rely on daycare and it’s mostly women working in daycare. 

-Which can and did create huge issues when daycares had to close. So not only are daycare workers exposed to whatever the kids are passing on, but the mothers who are working what many people finally recognize as essential jobs can’t work and make ends meet or will be laid off if they can’t find someone to watch their kids. Or they’ll just be laid off because of COVID. And we see all this disproportionate impact on women in unemployment. Out of the 700,000 jobs that were lost last year in February and March, 60% were held by women. 

-Mhmm and a lot of them were in education or caregiving jobs. So, these systems of oppression are literally not only setting women up for failure but also putting their lives at a greater risk because of this pandemic. Because patriarchy expects women to be caregivers, domestic workers, mothers, and work with children, they’re pushed into these jobs in the medical field, nursing homes, daycare centers, etcetera, and be the family’s personal shopper which all increase the risk of exposure, unemployment, and financial instability because they’re not paid nearly enough for what they do, especially compared to men. So you have entire systems brainwashing women that their role is X, Y, Z and then they do nothing about it when a pandemic exposes this oppression and feminization of poverty and labor. Their total disregard for how COVID is affecting women is literally killing us.  

-It really is. And that’s like only the tip of the iceberg because COVID is a reproductive justice issue too. And some people don’t have access to contraceptives right now. They can’t get to the pharmacy, can’t get to the doctor, or don’t feel comfortable going out in general. And I don’t blame them, I can’t count how many anti-maskers and under-the-nosers I’ve seen at the stores and at my work. But this whole situation is really affecting people’s human right to not have kids. On the other end, it’s violating people’s human right to even have children because COVID is killing children too. Some people with certain disabilities are less likely to get a ventilator, and some are even having their ventilators taken away. So parents of children with disabilities might not be able to get their child the medical care they need. 

-Honestly that sounds shady as hell and gives me major eugenic vibes.  

 -Right?

-Like it’s also violating people’s human right to parent their children in a safe and healthy environment. Because of the disproportional unemployment rate for women, the wage gap, and now a global deadly virus with how many strains, it’s really hard for parents to feed, clothe, and house their children in the first place, but now people are losing their homes because of this pandemic.  

-Not to mention the quality of schools. Like if parents don’t have the time or resources to homeschool their child, they have to send them to public school and risk getting COVID. And we know how many anti-maskers are gonna be in public schools, especially with kids not wanting to wear masks. And even if those schools have a distance learning option, that puts distance learners at a disadvantage compared to those who are in the classroom because there can be a lot of distractions at home, shitty Wi-Fi, and some families have to share computers. Not to mention the like personal connection they can’t have with their teachers to actually help them.   

-It’s just all harder for single mothers because they don’t have daycare, they could be laid off, might have to drive their kids to school, can’t homeschool if their child isn’t getting quality education right now, they don’t have that dual income, and the might not be able to rely on support systems as much due to social distancing. 

-For sure and that issue of quarantining affects domestic violence rates as well. Because violence is a gendered issue, like women are really facing the brunt of this trend. COVID is causing economic stress and trauma because of the sickness or the death of loved ones, which leads to higher financial insecurity and negative impacts on mental health. Which could potentially lead people to determinantal coping mechanisms or a relapse. Lockdowns keep people at home so there are potentially more opportunities to wreak havoc, and domestic violence survivors are cut off from a lot of support. 

-Exactly many don’t have access to the same resources, like their friends and family because people either can’t or don’t want to leave their homes, and this impacts community resources like CADA. To talk more about CADA and domestic violence, we have a special guest, Julia Knutson. Julia is a student in MNSU’s Gender and Women’s Studies grad program and she’s also a shelter advocate at CADA. Thank you for joining us, Julia, it’s great to have you. 

-Yeah I’m happy to be here. 

-Thank you Julia for taking the time to talk with us about this, I’m sure you have a lot on your plate right now because of COVID, as we all do. It’s been a really stressful year, and at the time of this recording, it’s been almost a year down to the exact date that MNSU shut down the campus on what was it March 14th I believe and switched over to distance learning. In that time, how has the pandemic affected you, your family, and your work on an individual type level? 

-So I think the biggest thing is me and my partner we moved in together in February and then the pandemic hit in March. And so, we’ve been able to figure it out and it’s actually been quite easy, but going from like relationship, to moving in together, to quarantining together has been kind of an interesting route. When COVID first hit, like over the summer, I had no plans of going to school but I was lucky enough to have an opportunity to go to school. So COVID’s made me exhausted, and in ways that are new to me, because I’m someone who runs really well on a schedule, um I really like structure and with having to create my own structure that’s difficult. And with work it’s just a matter of we were constantly rearranging our protocols, or reiterating importance based on the current COVID cases in the Blue Earth county. It’s a lot of communication. It’s a lot of new ways of communicating. I also think some of the other things though is that because I’ve had this opportunity to kinda like dictate what goes on in my day, I’ve been able to really focus also on my mental health. You know, back before COVID I would always make myself so busy that I wouldn’t have to deal with it. Now it’s like okay yeah I have to deal with it. So I’m kinda grateful for that slowing down of life so I can kinda take a hold on this, and I think overall it’s made me a better advocate, it’s made me a better partner, it’s made me a better student. And so that’s probably just one positive thing but I mean I’m not here saying like you have to find the light like at the end of the tunnel because this sucks. 

-Can you tell us a little bit more about what CADA is, like the services you provide there and what you do personally as a shelter advocate? 

-We are an organization, uh, CADA stands for Committee Against Domestic Abuse. We focus primarily on survivors of domestic violence, domestic abuse, sexual abuse, and sexual violence. There’s three main programs with another, like, half program. We have outreach, which is the community aspect of advocacy. So, they’re having moreso, like, one on one meetings about, you know, court, the legal system. It’s for people who have shelter, but are still needing an advocate through the process of fleeing a domestic situation or through the process of coping with either a domestic situation or a sexual assault situation. We then have Keep Me Safe, which is a supervised visitation that a family that’s been in a domestic situation can use. And so how that works is, one parent will come in early, the other parent will bring the kids, the kids and the parent and the first parent will spend time together while there is an advocate in another office transcribing what’s going on. Then the other parent will come pick up the kids. It’s just a way to provide safe visitation. And then we have SMOEP (Southern Minnesota Offender Education Program) which is a program for perpetrators to kinda learn more about like why they might be doing what they’re doing. Because I think under all domestic violence is just like, I mean obviously there’s some people out there who are just like mean, who are just evil. But, I think for a lot of people, it’s reciprocated trauma that they have learned how to cope with in a way that is lethal to the people around them. And then we have Shelter where I hang out. It’s got a lot of components. It’s people facing homelessness, due to domestic violence. That’s very specific, that terminology, because we are not a homeless shelter. And so a lot of times when we get calls from people we do ask a couple of very strategic questions to prove that it’s a domestic situation and that sounds pretty awful. But the reality is if we are accepting people who aren’t going to benefit of our services, then that’s going to be more of a detrimental to our residents, our clients, the people we’re providing services for, than to help that one individual.  The best thing we can do for an individual who doesn’t fit our criteria is then resource out so that’s providing them resources that might be more specific for what they need. 

-Because of COVID a more people are losing their homes, you know they can’t afford to pay rent because they’re getting laid off. That combined with the domestic violence kinda forces people into homelessness. How does the homelessness part affect what kind of services they can take advantage of and such?

-I mean that’s a really good question, because you know if people had the financial ability to do something different maybe they would. But from what I notice is that homelessness creates vulnerability and vulnerability is something that perpetrators seek out. It may be affecting more people and I think actually a lot of it is that people who are experiencing poverty right now some of them are brand new to it. And poverty is an incredibly taxing lifestyle. It’s exhausting and it’s hard and it’s navigating systems that are meant for you to fail and that’s like literally still including CADA. We were a program to help people but there’s some people that we do fail and that’s inevitable. I’m not sure if there is a connection between it but I would lean yes that there would be a connection with homelessness due to COVID leading to more domestic violence. 

-The impact of not having a permanent home address, how would that impact the things that people can do to better their situation? 

-So one of the biggest things I can think is that we have people switch their address at the post office to CADA’s lock box type thing. There’s still ways to get services, but when you are moving so often, it can go to the wrong place,  but also yeah I mean you can’t get a job without a permanent address. But CADA can count as a permanent address but not for anything more than entry level. You can’t get a library card, you can’t get a credit card. There’s a lot of barriers to not having a permanent address. And a lot of that is also just that concept of getting mail sent to different places. Well I think the library card is probably the most important because a lot of times women come in and they’re seeking ways to build their confidence, right, and like one of the main ways that people can do that is through feeling smart, by reading new things, learning new things. That’s why I think hopefully when campus opens up if we could connect the women’s center with CADA I think that would be so beneficial. 

-Yeah that’d be awesome.

-How have the services at CADA changed to accommodate the pandemic? Like how was it running through the government mandated shutdown?  

-Of course we didn’t close, um, it’s a lot of change very often. We’ve got symptom trackers for the residents that we have. We created a new relationship with a hotel so that we could get lower rates for quarantining people if they’ve been exposed. And so then we’ll put them in a room and provide them with food and water and everything for a two week stay. Our services have changed in the way that we operate. I think it’s impacted the relationship between coworkers more than it has CADA as an organization because it’s a lot simpler to just send people home than to continue working under a very strict protocol because outreach is able to just work from home with the proper technology they have all their bases covered with that but at shelter you can’t not have anyone there. We have a lot of meetings. We have a lot of conversations. We have a lot of check-ins. We are really prioritizing how are you understanding the new protocol you know. And that’s the conversation we’ve been having for about a year now. And that’s perfectly fine. It’s not something to fight against because at the end of the day it’s for everyone’s safety. But I think the most disappointing thing though is that we only had like two or three months of essential worker pay and it was only one dollar. So I think that’s one of the things where I think I’ve been the most disappointed. That’s mostly because we’re consistently adjusting to whatever management needs and we had it for such a short time that it just made you feel a little bit disposable. I don’t know just not very important. And that was tough. You know it would’ve been very helpful to have that known financial stability during a time that was so emotionally and just cognitively draining due to everything going on around us. 

-Yeah and that kinda goes along with how a lot of women are essential workers and that would include workers at CADA because you guys do a lot and you do a lot of important work so it’s just interesting how that kinda comes full circle. 

-Definitely yeah I think that is a really cool way of thinking about it 

-Women in general are essential workers and this whole pandemic has really brought that to light you know because they’re the ones going out doing the shopping, taking care of the kids, you know, in this case a lot of the workers are mostly women. Like there aren't that many male employees so even it’s women taking care of other women who need help.  

-Yeah and I think when you put it that way it does really, that has a lot of depth the women helping women thing because that’s how all of this first started right like shelters started by women who had experienced domestic violence housing other women who are going through it so in a place like CADA to have that dynamic of yeah there is male inclusion but at the very top

-What kind of problems did people face going to CADA and using your services? Like how did you accommodate them? What kind of issues did you face there and how is it functioning now compared to before COVID hit last year? 

-I don’t think access to our services changed at all because we didn’t change access to our services. The only thing that we changed is like kinda like when you have to go to the doctor you still have to go to the doctor but you still have to read that stupid sign that’s like “are you experiencing any of these symptoms” and then they ask you so we have to give that same speech all the time when we’re accepting people to shelter like you know have you had a fever have you been exposed blah blah blah I think one misconception people have though is that we are closed which I’ve experienced people thinking that we’re not open but um people thinking that if they have any symptoms also that they’re not going to get anywhere that’s not the case like we still provide shelter even to someone who is experiencing symptoms but it’s just gonna look a little different because we didn’t have to shut down because we didn’t have to make a lot of changes in our protocol because we just really couldn’t it’s a constant adjustment and this goes for every single type of work is that you’re constantly learning what works and what doesn’t in this new world we live in right now and that’s not going to change once we can go out to eat or like you know all that stuff I mean we’re going to keep some of this stuff that we’re doing right now that we find useful like the meetings like the check-ins like the extra trainings and all that and so I think you have to adapt and that’s bigger than a personal thing. 

-Can you talk a bit about how the intersectionality of the people who go to CADA? Like who are the groups of people most affected by the changes in how CADA runs now compared to last year? And have the people most affected in CADA’s services changed pre-COVID compared to now? 

-Gender doesn’t play a huge role. I mean because we are a women’s shelter. We accept all women identified people so that does include trans and non binary people. Intersectionality along the lines of class I mean we’re talking like people who are the poorest of poor just because if you had other resources you wouldn’t be going to a shelter right if you had supportive parents if you had a supportive family if you had supportive friends. And that’s not to say these people don’t have supportive family and friends but their family and friends are not able to financially and they don’t have the capacity to house someone right then because typically they’re all along the same class. The family is very important to our clients and usually if we ever do get someone in who’s like middle class working class anything like above the poverty level typically will only be there for like one or two days or have a pretty difficult attitude because they’re just not accustomed to again that lifestyle of poverty that I mean we are very much so in as an organization I mean all of our food is donated so yeah things that we eat might be expired. But not everyone can adjust. 

-Like the importance of those support systems for people who are going through that COVID has it’s kinda gotten in the way of those systems because even if some people can take them in or would like to they really can’t because the financial instability the pandemic has caused uh risking exposure you know kinda boundaries of, normally you know I’d be of help, but I can’t because I risk the family that I have, that I need to take care of first. Well, it really has just changed those whole support systems that are really important to those people who are going through that.

-That’s something that we could add into new challenges with COVID is working with a different group of people that we typically wouldn’t. We typically work with people who already know the systems, the programs, the means of survival, things like that, right. When people who normally could take someone in, but right now they can’t because of financial instability, because of risk of exposure, because of this that and another thing. We’re dealing with a whole new group of people that don’t know the systems, don’t know the programs, and don’t know the lifestyle of poverty that they’re in for a moment. That creates a whole different way of advocating for someone. It’s kinda introducing them to this world that they need for right now. I think for a lot of people who do come who are above the poverty level, they will find their way back to where they were in their social class. But having that experience is not easy, it’s not taken well most of the time. 

-That kinda goes into, uh, the whole tactic of isolation. So a lot of abusers will use isolation to kind of prevent people from getting help and that separation of those support systems has really made it much easier for people to do that, so they can, you know, take advantage of their partners and other people that they’re living with. Isolation is one of the biggest psychological things that they can do and COVID has really just kinda done that for them, which is huge. 

-Mmmhmm

-Is there anything else you’d like our listeners to know? 

-Advocacy is something that will change your life. I am grateful for every shift I work, whether it went good or bad. I work with people who are just like you and me. I want to just break that misconception of like you have to be strong, or you have to be born to be an advocate, you don’t. If you care about that group of people, you will do a good job. Being an advocate is such a paradox because you are forced to do so much personal growth in order to handle your job that it’s not only just going to work, dealing with people’s traumas, handling situations, stuff like that. Outside of work you also have to be working on yourself and how you’re going to be able to process what just happened so that you can go back to work tomorrow. There’s a lot of effort that goes into being an advocate: we don’t get paid enough, we don’t get talked about enough, people don’t really care about us enough. But at the same time, that is not enough of a reason for me to stop, right. You know, that’s not my organization's fault. My organization pays me the very same as most other organizations. Advocacy in general is just a neglected field to be recognized. 

-I have to agree. Just your point about how there’s that personal growth just being an advocate and being an activist in general. You really do have to, kinda, draw some lines and be really specific about what you stand for, what you don’t stand for, what’s a deal breaker, and just really getting to know yourself and making really solid lines of what is part of your feminism. Like, I never thought, even just a year ago, that I would be doing an activist podcast, you know, or some of the things that I’m doing now because of the kind of person I was then and I would say that COVID has impacted that a little bit. You know a lot of people are, you know, they have more time on their hands and can make time for that self care and can figure out themselves, which is in itself feminism. Also being able to change yourself to have that benefit the larger community at hand. 

-Well and I think that’s a really good point and the greatest example of that is the protests that happened in the cities over the summer. You know, the only reason that happened is that people had time, you know what I mean. And I think that is why advocacy gets such a talk to the hand. It’s because they want to create a world where people don’t have enough time to worry about the social problems going on around them and they can know that it’s happening and be just like shit this is happening. But they can’t do anything about it because you have to work to survive. There’s things you have to do that the government says this is part of a lifestyle, that you have to do in order to be successful, and even just survival. And that is gonna take so much time that you’re not going to have time to fight the systems that are putting you down and continuing the cycle. And so with, yeah, COVID it is people kinda starting to be like, especially I would say like, there is a very specific generation of people who are learning in this time who are being exposed to so much more in this time because they don’t have that structure that keeps them distracted and they’re kinda like wait I don’t think that we wanna do that anymore. It’s young people, and that’s really cool because everybody loves to care about the children. Weird, to me, but, you know, so yeah give a damn listen to them. Like, fucking change the system. 

-It’ll be really interesting to see how our group of people kinda take the bull by the horns in upcoming years. 

-So I think a lot of this activism and coming together, I think is going unnoticed right now and will be like a fucking nuke to the baby boomers. And the same thing kinda happened in the nineties right. The nineties people thought oh feminism is done, feminism is gone, no one’s doing feminism, blah blah blah. No feminists were just smarter than everybody else as per usual and we’re doing all of it online, changing systems online, without people even realizing, without people even knowing it. And then when it came out in the two thousands, people were like oh my god feminism’s here? Okay then let’s commodify it. Well hopefully that doesn’t happen to this hopefully similar situation. But I do hope that this is just like something no one saw coming except for us, that just shakes the world.  

-So going off of that educating yourself about these issues are like the first steps in taking that action step in activism. So, I’d like to ask you what I’m sure many of our listeners are asking themselves: now what? How can listeners use this information in their activism? 

-I think one of the only things that people can do, which is very important, is just educating yourself. If you’re interested in these topics, you really do have to learn about them. And since we can’t learn through experience, we can’t learn through volunteering and interning, and things like that, educate yourself through the glorious internet. There is so much you can find out on the internet and there are so many other podcasts too with other people, just like this one. If someone’s listening to this, they’re actively working towards giving a shit about activism. You should look into humanizing domestic violence, connecting it to a face, you know, because you can talk about domestic violence until your face is blue, but until you have actually worked with people who have experienced it, it’s not this, like glorified movie-esque type of violence. So I think the Soft White Underbelly youtube channel is a really good way to expose yourself to the realities of the people that you’d work with if you were an activist. I think the biggest thing they can do is just be conscious, be aware, and that’s also just in general so you’re going to lose touch with reality. So keep yourself grounded with the willingness to learn and be updated and be present and aware of what’s going on. What are my opinions on this? What would be ideal? Asking those questions and like I think the biggest thing too is like journaling. I just started journaling and it’s incredible and it gets me thinking about those things. When this is over like how could things change to be better? And what needs to be done to do that? Can we do anything right now? And just a lot of critical thinking I think is how people can kinda answer the question what now? Allowing yourself actually to just be focused on something you care about is enough. You don’t have to do any more. It’s already stressful enough, especially for anyone who has, like, anxiety to be like I’m not doing enough, I’m not doing enough. They really can’t. That’s okay. It’s okay. You don’t have a part you have to play in this. You can choose how you want to navigate it. 

-I really agree because activism looks different for every person. It’s what works for you, your situation in the moment, and your mental mindset, and even your boundaries. You know, like, not everybody feels comfortable going out to protests, or purposefully getting themselves arrested to bring attention to the movement, all those kinds of things. 

-Especially during a pandemic

-Yeah exactly

-Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us Julia and just to reiterate CADA is open. For anyone who cannot reach out to CADA, the National Domestic Violence Hotline is always open and their number is 1-800-799-7233. 

-This pandemic has really brought to light how much our society depends on women but it has also exasperated the ways in which society oppresses us too. 

-It’s really interesting because the more we talk about COVID in relation to gender, the more I’m seeing this pandemic as also its own system of oppression rather than just a patriarchal weapon. You know? It feels like Mona Eltahawy’s patriarchal octopus has grown another arm called rona because our government is really doing nothing. They can afford to do nothing. Like, they were kinda withholding stimulus checks because the ones in power have more money than they know what to do with and they know it would help those in need like indigenous people, people of color, and women. And this whole pandemic is a shit show for everybody, there’s no doubt about that. But, people who don’t fit the white, straight, Christian, middle-class, cishet, able-bodied male image are struggling way more. 

-It’s like patriarchy welcomed a new guest into its house and instead of giving them the couch like you’d normally give a guest, they took someone out of their room to give COVID that room.  COVID won’t leave if systems facilitate its stay. 

- Mhm. Which is why it’s so important we educate ourselves, keep an open mind, have honest conversations about what’s going on in the world because it’s a such mess. 

Exactly! Like that’s why activism is so important because it gives people the metaphorical mops they need to clean up the ink left behind by the patriarchal octopus and the pitchforks they need to slay it. 

-Mhmm and what are some of the mops we have for our listeners? 

-Some mops would include helping women and others in your community. You can go to the store and pick up groceries for them if you’re able to, you can send them a care package if you have extra supplies to spare, and also, mainly, just be aware of hand gestures people may use during a Zoom meeting that will signal there’s domestic violence going on. There are also resources and organizations you can donate to, be it time, money, or supplies, or utilize for yourself like CADA, the Mankato Echo Food Shelf, or even sending a CARE package.  

-Yes to all of that. Every little bit helps. Now what are the pitchforks? 

-Well for one, increasing the minimum wage. Write to your governors, senators, representatives, all that good stuff to raise the minimum wage. Indigenous people, people of color, and women, and other marginalized identities are more likely to be poor because of oppression. It would also potentially reduce all crime, which disproportionately affects those groups too. 

-Right because a lot of crime happens to escape poverty like crime is often used for survival, not to mention the school-to-prison pipeline. But you’re right, raising the minimum wage would help give women more financial stability due to things like the feminization of labor and poverty.

-Mhm like it would help mothers, especially single mothers, and raise the likelihood of people being able to move out and stay out since perpetrators often make them financially dependent on them. And it’s hard to make a living out there in general. This generation can’t afford to live the way the previous generation did, you often need dual income to make ends meet. Raising the minimum wage is a big one, but in general, if you have the time and the energy, write to those people about issues that are important to you. Like actually getting a decent stimulus check. And if they don’t listen, make them listen through demonstrations, marches, protests, even feminist podcasts that call out these social justice issues. 

-Yesssss and remember, this might seem impossible because the mess and effects of patriarchy are everywhere, but octopi use ink as a defense mechanism to escape prey. So don’t be overwhelmed. Because the more ink it leaves, the more threatened it feels. However, at the end of every mop handle is a pitchfork. So if you stay focused on the mess it leaves behind, you’ll be cleaning up ink forever and hurting yourself in the long run.  

-And if you turn it around to slay the octopus, you’ll cover yourself in that mess – in that ink -- because being an activist is hard and really dirty work. 

Exactly you won’t come out unscathed because you will face backlash  

-You’ll probably get ink in your eye and be blinded for a moment and lose sight of the goal of dismantling the patriarchy and other systems of power, which is why it’s important we come together so we can take breaks, clean ourselves off, refocus, and keep slaying like the feminists we are. 

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-Thank you for joining us 

-Thank you

-Hopefully someone hears this and is like wow that could be someone and I could get a TV show. That’s what my goal is out of this. 

-We’ll be known as the ones who made you famous.

-This episode of The Great Exposure is executive produced by Maya Wenzel and Skyler Kottke, and edited by Maya Wenzel. The Great Exposure is produced by Katie Gunnick, Nhia Vang, Justin Danielson, Jess Hartwell, and Kristine Savik. Original music composed by Jacob Ross.

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